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  • Again, don't make large changes without discussing it with other users, especially admins. They have more experience with their wiki than you.

    Categories you've created are simply excessive and unnecessary. They do nothing except over-complicate things. It doesn't look like you're here to improve the wiki anymore; it's more as if you want the wiki's structure to be the way you want and nothing else. All you're doing here is create a mess for us to clean up.

    Each wiki runs in a different way for its own good. Just because one wiki runs in a way, does not mean it's the best and that other wikis should use it.

    - Deiaa (Wall)

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      Deiaa2002 wrote:

      Again, don't make large changes without discussing it with other users

      I assume you were unaware of this edit and this proposal and these two categories that explains everything. , especially admins. They have more experience with their wiki than you.

      Do you have comments what should be addressed first?

      Categories you've created are simply excessive and unnecessary.

      So, you can provide alternative for Category:Always available?
      They do nothing except over-complicate things.
      Examples? Demagogy.
      It doesn't look like you're here to improve the wiki anymore; it's more as if you want the wiki's structure to be the way you want and nothing else. All you're doing here is create a mess for us to clean up.
      I don't think this attitude is compatible collaborative wiki setting.

      If some categories are duplicates, we can always add HIDDEN cat to them.

      Each wiki runs in a different way for its own good.
      Read: the way YOU want, right?!
      Just because one wiki runs in a way, does not mean it's the best and that other wikis should use it.
      Please don't suppress new ideas, you defirently won't be able provide an alternative in what you think "developed local wiki".</div>
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      Deiaa2002 wrote: Again, don't make large changes without discussing it with other users, especially admins.

      If you were "expirenced" as you claim to be, you woudn't mash pages with multipe Infobox templates under single Page title.

      If you object this, I think your "edit" at this wiki function can be revoked untill you're able to collaborate with other editors.

      Was it hard to see they have different codes "goldenmachete" and "obsidianmachete", stats and crafting prototypes.

      Did you made these 2 edits by mistake, right?!

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    • I was. And I will admit that the Science category was just vague and the categories you created to replace it will probably do a better job. I was writing the message above while on phone, so I couldn't link or do much, and simply typed as fast as my fingers could touch the screen. I intended to mention these as better categories, but forgot to type it. My fault.

      The categories I meant as unnecessary and excessive were Category:Menu, Category:Interface and Category:Items by branch. The Menu category only has 4 pages, each is unrelated to the other, the Interface category only has one page, and we discussed one-page-categories before, and Items by branch is empty and serves no purpose, since the categories Always Available, Researched with Science Machine, Researched with Alchemy Engine, etc..., serve its purpose.

      I have to remind you this is a small wiki when compared to some other wikis. We keep things as simple as possible without making them vague. We had some categories which were deleted due to over-complication and ideas that were dismissed due to over-complication. I personally don't remember the names at the moment, but will search and edit this message once I find them.

      I never had a sour attitude writing this; I was only pointing it out - one of our jobs here is to clean up any mess.

      If some categories are duplicates of another category, just delete them; they are basically the same thing. Why would you want to keep them?

      How about you check out other, particularly small and medium wikis around Wikia?

      I never suppressed new ideas. In fact, if you would've discussed replacing the Science category, I would've definitely agreed (and I still am).

      - Deiaa (Wall)

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      Read the text more carefully. ("They are more experienced with their wiki than you.")

      I never said they are more experienced than you in general. The admin of wiki (A) is more experienced with wiki (A) than the admin of wiki (B), and the admin of wiki (B) is more experienced with wiki (B) than the admin of wiki (A).

      That's how the wiki runs. Different versions of the same thing are in the same page, because there isn't much difference. (And no, names and spawn codes are not enough to be a difference.)

      And no, these weren't by mistake. I simply didn't notice you made 2 different edits and just undid one instead of both, then noticed that Obsidian Machete was also missing.

      - Deiaa (Wall)

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      Deiaa2002 wrote: I was. And I will admit that the Science category was just vague and the categories you created to replace it will probably do a better job.

      Deiaa2002 wrote: I was writing the message above while on phone, so I couldn't link or do much, and simply typed as fast as my fingers could touch the screen. I intended to mention these as better categories, but forgot to type it. My fault.

      Well I assumed that you reviewed all my changes, my bad. You were unavare of much worse categorization that was before my actions (Category:Science)

      The categories I meant as unnecessary and excessive were Category:Menu, Category:Interface

      The Menu category only has 4 pages, each is unrelated to the other, the Interface category only has one page, and we discussed one-page-categories before </div>Interface was created just recently, I think we can kill menu and merge it with interface category. Interface is better name, not just menus.

      Do you object Interface category? We have some content on this topic.

      Deiaa2002 wrote:

      Category:Items by branch.

      It is empty after my actions, I propose to speedy remove it, untill somebody notices it. I stopped on "<craftable object> by <perspective>" naming. It will be sufficient.

      Separation of item/structure was BEFORE MY actions, I don't think such separation would be useful as the most basic category.

      , and Items by branch is empty and serves no purpose, since the categories Always Available, Researched with Science Machine, Researched with Alchemy Engine, etc..., serve its purpose.
      I stopped with "Researched with Science Machine" naming, "by branch" or "by tier" (it was present before at this wiki) name were absolutely unintuitive for first time readers.
      I have to remind you this is a small wiki when compared to some other wikis. We keep things as simple as possible without making them vague. We had some categories which were deleted due to over-complication and ideas that were dismissed due to over-complication. I personally don't remember the names at the moment, but will search and edit this message once I find them.
      I don't think that I will ever go more complex than:

      Was there anything wrong with them?

      I never had a sour attitude writing this; I was only pointing it out - one of our jobs here is to clean up any mess.

      Sure thing, I made some mistakes that's me who can fix them back. I can review my own edit log MUCH quicker than anyone.

      If some categories are duplicates of another category, just delete them; they are basically the same thing. Why would you want to keep them?

      How about you check out other, particularly small and medium wikis around Wikia?

      Deiaa2002 wrote: I never suppressed new ideas. In fact, if you would've discussed replacing the Science category, I would've definitely agreed (and I still am).

      - Deiaa (Wall)

      Well, if nobody objects anything - why to force every discussion?

      I can change this, but I will make less useful changes dealing with discussions?.. Can you see this?

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      Recently we had Inventory page, so I decided to create more generic "Interface" category. Interface is not written yet, but anyone can fix it!

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      Deiaa2002 wrote:

      How about you check out other, particularly small and medium wikis around Wikia?

      They always sort by game, without exception:

      I think alternative perspective by "Crafters/Prototypers" wouldn't harm because they provide unique combinations (as tier 0 that wasn't before).

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    • (I'm running out of time here, so this is the last message I'll post for today. I also won't place quotes, but will sort each reply per paragraph)

      Interface has some potential, but not much if I may say so. Still, it may have a bigger use in he future (though very unlikely). Menu is just a stretch (and a bit of over-complication) and, as you said, can be gotten rid of in favor of interface. About creating a page for "Interface", the category has some potential, the page however, doesn't, and I personally do not support making a page for it.

      Ah, I see. The recent activity is just clogged up and it's hard to keep track of all changes at the moment.

      Remember I never pointed at these categories badly.

      I can't help but agree with that. Although, a lot of your mistakes are common grammar errors, which is understandable since English isn't your first language; these should probably be fixed by someone else.

      I was only talking about myself; some people will agree and some won't, but you can never say that they agree or disagree for sure, or who agrees and who doesn't before a discussion. In fact, discussions may even give you even better ideas, that's why they exist.

      I'm now willingly removing the block since it was just to get you to stop editing and discuss first, which you did.

      Well, we only have 2 games which are not-so-different but also not quite the same. I personally see the current layout as the best possible.

      - Deiaa (Wall)

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      Deiaa2002 wrote:

      I'm now willingly removing the block since it was just to get you to stop editing and discuss first, which you did.

      - Deiaa (Wall)

      Sure thing, I can discuss any of my changes. You can ban/not ban me - I don't really care that much about it.

      There no change that I miss "blue blinking dot" at top of the screen, I'm not using mobile version of wikia.com; I always see notifications and comments of previous editor in edit history (when coming back to this page).

      Well, we only have 2 games which are not-so-different but also not quite the same. I personally see the current layout as the best possible.

      We have many DLCs sold as single never endling game "DS".

      SW is absolutely unique world from DS and DST, so everything can be separated at least by 3.

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